I have a good feel for our real posters out there. Solid posters who PM me or write to scholarship@menspsychology.com on why they should stay because of financial hardships will be carefully considered on a case-by-case basis.

Hold on just a minute!!

I just learned about this after reading the last newsletter.

As someone who started posting on this forum since DAY 1, and as someone who has contributed a lot to it over the years, (although not so much in recent months) I have to give a "thumbs down" to losing the free forums.

I'm thinking with the number of great moderators on this board, that the spammers would be easily controlled, and as others have said, they shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us.

But, if Paul feels it's best then so be it. I know there are some other options to be able to access the member forums, but I don't really qualify for those options. I have chosen not to become a member as I don't have the time to attend the weekly teleseminars or take advantage of the other member benefits, but I still do enjoy checking out the free forums from time to time.

It's unfortunate that they won't be available anymore. As far as moderators and current members go, it's easy to see why they are all voting FOR these changes.

They aren't going to LOSE ANYTHING.

Anyhoo, Paul asked for feedback so I'm giving mine. If these forums do in fact go to paid status, I'll say my Good byes now...

Anyone who would like to continue email correspondence, PM me now before the gates get locked for good.

You were right Pinwheel.... you were RIGHT!

I'll try to make the call tonight, if I get out of work on time. I would submit that having at least ONE free forum subsection as a marketing tool might be worthwhile...

I can see us granting select Charter Members (I know who you are) access, but you'll need to PM me or write to scholarship@menspsychology.com

I think it would be worth considering granting free trial memberships to the new all-private forums to those who request it. I believe this to be a win-win solution for all involved. This preserves most of the marketing value of the public forums, while maintaining exclusivity for members and allowing screening. My two cents...

I am kind of torn on the whole thing...I feel it is a right and responsibility to help a guy get up to speed with having a better life. I agree that the field has become a little too full with people thinking that they have the new bread that will make a better sandwich and only in it for the money.

I think that this may be the way to get the forums back to the roots that spawned this whole movement.

I owe Dr Paul for the one lesson that sticks with me each day and that is the lessson of doing courage. I think that this is a big risk and may be just what it takes for the tire kickers who don't really want to do the work to join.

nick2893 wrote:I can see where the idea's coming from, but what is the value of the free forums as a marketing tool?

You can't ignore things like Craig's List - full of junk (my buddy almost bought a HOUSE from somebody who didn't even own it), yet there's good people using the service anyway (a Chicago radio station had a morning dedicated to people who met their significant others there).

There's also the "slow" learners who try something, then drop it, then come back to it after some time, rinse, repeat. I think those people would gravitate towards "free" - anything.

Thanks. I've learned that free forums offer marketing to companies that don't really have much original content, but cut and paste it from elsewhere. In our case, all the competitors come there, cut and paste, rebrand (who or what "pua" REALLY would ever have thought of "character driven game" if theyd not seen mindOS starting 7 years ago, really?)

This eliminates that. And if you are a good guy who simply wants to be on a team of men learning, there's always a way to get you in the new side.
scholarships, moderator jobs, and every disc product now has the option to get a free 1-3 months of membership automatically.

I don't think free forums are useful to either reaching more men, or helping. It's like leaving open the bank vault door to a wealth of knowledge, and hoping that people visit your bank in appreciation of its openness to the public.. Which is just foolish.

I'm no fool, and I don't work with them. We are here to get down to serious skills, only for those guys with real names, real lives, and real ambition to make better lives. No spammers or pirates.

Bayguy wrote:Hold on just a minute!!

I just learned about this after reading the last newsletter.

As someone who started posting on this forum since DAY 1, and as someone who has contributed a lot to it over the years, (although not so much in recent months) I have to give a "thumbs down" to losing the free forums.

I'm thinking with the number of great moderators on this board, that the spammers would be easily controlled, and as others have said, they shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us.

But, if Paul feels it's best then so be it. I know there are some other options to be able to access the member forums, but I don't really qualify for those options. I have chosen not to become a member as I don't have the time to attend the weekly teleseminars or take advantage of the other member benefits, but I still do enjoy checking out the free forums from time to time.

It's unfortunate that they won't be available anymore. As far as moderators and current members go, it's easy to see why they are all voting FOR these changes.

They aren't going to LOSE ANYTHING.

Anyhoo, Paul asked for feedback so I'm giving mine. If these forums do in fact go to paid status, I'll say my Good byes now...

Anyone who would like to continue email correspondence, PM me now before the gates get locked for good.

You were right Pinwheel.... you were RIGHT!

Well there you go...if so quick to leave, and it's not worth 1$ a day to you, that's part of the idea. How can we relate to women from a place of value if we aren't worth a 1$ a day to each other?

Time to set a standard, and what happens is it self-"prunes" dabblers who are highly unlikely to ever be consistent and present. There are many places to go like yahoo to just browse or chat on yahoo's dime.

Nonetheless, as you say, you've been around since the beginning, and that's an honor. If you want in say the word, and write to josh@menspsychology.com that that's your reason for doing so. It doesn't make sense for me to supervise, pay, and instruct moderators on how to eliminate spammers and copyright violators and pirates when I can simply push the kill switch...

... and use all that energy that would have been further spilled down a drain of users - to instead review and reward guys with scholarships for free, who really are serious about learning and teaming up.

Zanther wrote:I'll try to make the call tonight, if I get out of work on time. I would submit that having at least ONE free forum subsection as a marketing tool might be worthwhile...

Yep those who want free stuff there's a free newsletter already packed with ideas weekly, and we'll leave a free mailbag, where I'll pull some but not all, for answers in the newsletter.

Sometimes there may be douchbags and toolbags on the mailbag, but I won't be answering, and they won't flood my personal email inbox haha.

tbird1960mn wrote:I am kind of torn on the whole thing...I feel it is a right and responsibility to help a guy get up to speed with having a better life. I agree that the field has become a little too full with people thinking that they have the new bread that will make a better sandwich and only in it for the money.

I think that this may be the way to get the forums back to the roots that spawned this whole movement.

I owe Dr Paul for the one lesson that sticks with me each day and that is the lessson of doing courage. I think that this is a big risk and may be just what it takes for the tire kickers who don't really want to do the work to join.

Agreed. We have seriously innovative technology for serious guys who want serious change in their lives. It's not always "serious" obviously when FreeThrowKing can't manage to avoid peeing on his bed because he wants to listen to the teleseminars all the way to the end, but hey...

...one of the biggest lessons i've seen in the "business" of medicine is that when you let people no-show, no penalty, no harm no foul, they do not take even their OWN growth or health seriously, let alone your time, energy or investment in helping them.

That ends wednesday.

It's worth a little over 1$ a day to get together, certainly. Those who don't think so can go memorize some "stacked openers" and DHV their HB while social proofing "in state" and going "full woo..."

Hahahah... oh well... they'll see.

Betterman wrote:I think it would be worth considering granting free trial memberships to the new all-private forums to those who request it. I believe this to be a win-win solution for all involved. This preserves most of the marketing value of the public forums, while maintaining exclusivity for members and allowing screening. My two cents...

Thats essentially what happens with the scholarship program. Applicants already know who I am. I want to know who they are, and anyone already involved simply needs to get on down below so we can get to work together.

Sorry I missed most of the call tonight because I had a late meeting at my new job courtesy of Dr Paul's material!

-then I had to leave the call to go and do naughty things to woman with great boobs.

That's no bullshit so I hope some of you guys think that's worth $1 a day.

Houdini wrote:Sorry I missed most of the call tonight because I had a late meeting at my new job courtesy of Dr Paul's material!

-then I had to leave the call to go and do naughty things to woman with great boobs.

That's no bullshit so I hope some of you guys think that's worth $1 a day.

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